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RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Granolaman - 08-29-2018
That's exactly what five bears in a trenchcoat would say!
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 06:28 AM)Granolaman Wrote: »(Sai is also somewhere out there with his mysterious opinions.)
All this coalesces into what could be one helluvan info lynch if that's what we wanted to shoot for today. They aren't my highest scumspect but I'll be damned if I'm not interested in seeing which way they flip.
I actually have much more of a townread on them now because the handful of reads they've posted in D2 actually mirrored my own thinking at that point. Namely - I don't think AC and Blazer are bussing at all. I do think that Coldblooded looks extremely townie based on Pharms's post on them. I kneejerk towards assuming people that suspect me are townie too, especially when they're actually pointing to specific shit where I've dropped the ball. Between the likeminded thinking and the gut of 'hey, they're not acting like they can trust me by default,' and I wouldn't want to lynch them. The only thing I'm waffling on is that Schazer seemed to know that not-Town may have been given a role to claim by Dini, which he later confirmed, but it's also possible that that's a standard for these 'everyone has a role' type games.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Schazer - 08-29-2018
Actually I was hoping that Q had copied an existing role in the game and someone could claim "Im the toxicologist whose role must've been copied" and given us a townfirm.
Turns out the Landwalker's Amulet was just flavor justification for giving them a plausible fake claim! Rip
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-28-2018, 09:12 AM)Not The Author Wrote: »Which is true! I completely understand where Sai's coming from with this. It just. stopped being true after a point, and I'm not clear why, beyond that point, Sai did not pursue a Q lynch.Your point is actually well taken, and I was tempted to hold off on posting entirely to see if other people followed up on it. The fact that no one did is kinda annoying. The answer is boring - I just wasn't online. At the time, I thought a Schazer lynch would have gained more traction, especially since Acio was on them too and folks seem to respect their opinion. The fact that people said they would shoot Schazer (aka - lynch them without letting them claim or see who else was interested in killing them) but didn't actually vote for Schazer bothered me. I'm going to pull up the list of folks that did that.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
@Schazer while we're both around -
So while I'm looking through D1 posts, I noticed you said Blazer was your only vague scumread, and (more recently) you said they were possible scum in the Blazer v AC argument. Can you explain that at all, or is it just gut?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 06:56 AM)Sai Wrote: »The fact that people said they would shoot Schazer (aka - lynch them without letting them claim or see who else was interested in killing them) but didn't actually vote for Schazer bothered me. I'm going to pull up the list of folks that did that.
Okay, well, Acio did it, and then went and actually voted Schazer so that's cool. Blazer seemed to be riding the 'well maybe third party' vague wave movement thing and avoided voting for Schazer entirely. It's definitely less of a thing than I thought it was. Seedy seems to be the only one consistent on 'you done did a thing you shouldn't have done'
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - SleepingOrange - 08-29-2018
I've done a couple of reads of the thread now and have discovered a few things! One: I'm actually really bad at this game now, I am figuring little out; two: I am also bad at using forums and missed a message in my quicktopic so actually I DID have a mechanical thing happen to me last night and it is that my entire room was super-cleaned around me in my sleep so I have some questions for what Justice Watch did to me in the small hours; and three: I should clarify that my preference not to lynch day 1 is not mechanically-reasoned (I know it's numerically bad for the town!), I just prefer not to take someone out of the game before they can play it at all. I only reiterate the last point because some of the weird feelings I have are informed by anti-lynch preferences. Here are some thoughts I have on people:
Coldblooded: Cb's been pretty active, especially day 1, but has repeatedly put pressure and suspicion on people for things that seemed kind of insignificant to me. My dislike of the reasoning makes lean scum, but I actually think that's a misread on my part and puts them high on my list of people I'd like copped rather than killed to determine alignment. Lots of interaction with BlazerC that reads as non-aligned to me.
Robust Laser: Hasn't said much, hasn't had much content in the little they've said. Gently floated no lynch day one which combined with general low-impact posting has me suspicious.
Not The Author: Actually might have a negative content-per-word-count ratio by now which is actually kind of impressive! The vague whiff of a powerclaim combined with every post they've made essentially saying nothing or justifying saying nothing strikes me as Not Great; they go on to find both BlazerC's and awkwardcarapace's play productive then also vote for ac while hedging it in a worry that they'll regret it. Asks me and Sai and TehPilot to read one another while also implying it's not productive because we're all lurking. What actually is your deal this game, buddy?
Sai: Everything Sai has said has seemed like a reasonable statement from someone who plays the game very differently from me, while also not being persuasive or focused enough to make me feel very good about it. Light townread that is indistinguishable in practice from competently-played scum from an experienced mafioso. The only thing that actually stands out to me at all is Pharmacy's flavor suggestion, but that seems in character enough from Pharmacy that I'd believe it wasn't actually trying to defend a lurking mafia ally.
TehPilot: Meh? Literally the only time TP has appeared in my notes of things that people did that I felt was worth writing down was laying out a case against lynching lurkers and gently suspicioning Numbers, Airey, Schazer, and Robust Laser for shitposting. Most of my attention has been elsewhere in this game, and I don't feel much about what they've said yet.
Seedy: Reasonable if laconic townplay without much to back it up or ballsy enough opinions to strike me as notable. Literally the only reason I feel any way at all about them is because they keep putting pressure on people I'm mechanically confident are town, which doesn't make me suspicious so much as uncomfortable and makes me want to watch more closely.
BlazerC: I keep going back and forth on BlazerC tbh. A lot of their arguments have fallen flat for me but a lot of that can be fairly chalked up to misunderstandings or differences of opinion, and the fact they're as active and conducive to discussion as they are is good, so I'm conflicted. Since this is mafia, the way I'd like this conflict cleared up is by killing one or preferably both of BlazerC and awkwardcarapace within the near future. I'm going to vote: BlazerC because
awkwardcarapace: Being the other person I most want lynched today, I'm cool with their death as well, and in fact I had originally planned to vote for them, but... This last page, as has been said, feels TOO scummy to be scummy. They and BlazerC are about even as far as I care, but their defense has just felt "inexperienced, panicked town" enough to me that I'm okay with them being next after BlazerC. If the choice was between them and nobody though I'd pick them!
Numbers: Play that flags my attention but also is super new so iunno. Several other people have said this and one thing I noted as suspicious when rereading was when people, primarily Pharmacy, just repeated other people's opinions so perhaps it is I who is the mafia.
Granolaman: Not very helpful for a townolaman.
Acionyx: Is there any chance that you're an... investigative reporter at all?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:10 AM)SleepingOrange Wrote: »BlazerC: I keep going back and forth on BlazerC tbh. A lot of their arguments have fallen flat for me but a lot of that can be fairly chalked up to misunderstandings or differences of opinion, and the fact they're as active and conducive to discussion as they are is good, so I'm conflicted. Since this is mafia, the way I'd like this conflict cleared up is by killing one or preferably both of BlazerC and awkwardcarapace within the near future. I'm going to vote: BlazerC because
awkwardcarapace: Being the other person I most want lynched today, I'm cool with their death as well, and in fact I had originally planned to vote for them, but... This last page, as has been said, feels TOO scummy to be scummy. They and BlazerC are about even as far as I care, but their defense has just felt "inexperienced, panicked town" enough to me that I'm okay with them being next after BlazerC. If the choice was between them and nobody though I'd pick them!
The one thing that AC did which just has me boggled is saying they have a light townread on Blazer and voting for them. That fits with what you're saying with 'TOO scummy to be scummy' but I also can't fathom a reason for town to be doing that.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - SleepingOrange - 08-29-2018
Hahaha, that's right! God, there's a lot of weird inconsistencies in ac's play. Considering swapping back over but my gut just says BC's a more likely target.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Schazer - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:01 AM)Sai Wrote: »@Schazer while we're both around -
So while I'm looking through D1 posts, I noticed you said Blazer was your only vague scumread, and (more recently) you said they were possible scum in the Blazer v AC argument. Can you explain that at all, or is it just gut?
Just gut and vibes. I'm doing a re-read now re: Seedy's question so I'll keep an eye out on whether my mood on the Blazer/AC pair's cemented any
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - BlazerC - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 12:30 AM)awkwardcarapace Wrote: »This isn’t necessarily a scumtell, but it IS very very weird and I would like it cleared up.
ughghgh listen-
Despite everything, I am very open to clearing myself up if anyone- regardless of who they are, is (genuinely) confused by anything I said.
That said... just... just read these quotes of things I've already said in this spoiler tag and you'll get your answer:
now i'm going to wash my damn hands of this aC debate because i've already said enough about them and i think my opinions are very clear by now
so here's another opinion, one that no one freaking asked for:
After taking a step back and looking over my reads again, I've come to theory that Sai might actually be SK. They seem unaligned with the mafia, yet also seem oddly concerned with their survival on a second glance. I point to post #203 as example and the fact that we only got them talking after we pressured them with a minor bandwagon.
As for my Numbers read, they feel suddenly scummy to me and independent of my read on Sai. People felt bad about them because they unnecessarily revealed some role gubbins about themselves (#268) right? But hear me out: what if that wasn't Number's role. As modini just revealed/clarified, the non-town players are given flavor in the form of fake roles that they may choose to claim as.
Additionally, Legendary Q tried to use this flavor in their defense (#258) and their fake claim did not match their actual role when they flipped in the slightest, (I bring this up because naturally a doc/lynch preventer wouldn't work as a maf role). I feel kinda bad for using this as my read, but if Numbers was a newbie player who was a nefarious Infiltrator, it would make sense that they'd claim their flavor fake-claim in their panic. Certainly, the "dini game special" of where scum are given fake roles to claim as, is a normally unusual concept- and Numbers just threw the information they were given out there in a panicked defense, due to their regrettable inexperience.
so blaugh.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:15 AM)SleepingOrange Wrote: »Hahaha, that's right! God, there's a lot of weird inconsistencies in ac's play. Considering swapping back over but my gut just says BC's a more likely target.
I've got the same gut read as you, but for different reasons. I don't think that Blazer and AC can both be scum, and I'm extremely uncomfortable with Blazer just glossing over my interactions with Pharms. If Blazer's town, it might just be because they just came to the opinion at some point that I was townie and just went on with that assumption in mind - which, really, just isn't a great mindset and their general activity leads me to believe that they're too experienced to fall into that pit.
Their being scum makes more sense, because then it's based on who they think they can get away with lynching / who they're fixing to pick a fight with / how they want to be seen. It also means that it's way more safe to blithely assume that someone is town. I might just be tunneling too much on interactions with me, but it's enough to make me okay with lynching.
Vote: BlazerC
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
Wow, I spent way too long with that post half-done and got cut twice, one of which is Blazer NOT saying I'm townie. So that's nice.
#203 has nothing to do with my survival; it was saying that my being cleared (which can include being killed or whathaveyou) DOESN'T clear Pharms. My starting posting D1 was unrelated to the wagon on me, which as far as I can tell was never an actual lynch this guy! wagon anyways.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - SleepingOrange - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:35 AM)BlazerC Wrote: »After taking a step back and looking over my reads again, I've come to theory that Sai might actually be SK. They seem unaligned with the mafia
Do they? Why?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - awkwardcarapace - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:13 AM)Sai Wrote: »The one thing that AC did which just has me boggled is saying they have a light townread on Blazer and voting for them. That fits with what you're saying with 'TOO scummy to be scummy' but I also can't fathom a reason for town to be doing that.
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I'm going to try and justify this - the way BlazerC approached me was very non-scum-like. They began suspecting me (and voted for me) at the beginning of D2, which made the little voice inside my head go "hang on, that doesn't seem right for a scum" - because it'd be pretty unusual for scum to go gung-ho solo and go for a lynch that early, no? Especially come flip-time. Seemed more like a confident town. (Or am I misassuming?) Bascially, it was all intense Benefit-of-the-Doubt-y and Internal-Devil's-Advocate-y, and I had thought that it was just some town infighting. After all, BlazerC still does share some similar reads as me, so that's all for 'em.
Then again, as the day went on my opinion of them started to change as I just didn't vibe with a lot of what they were saying, which led to further confusion and internal debate and which THEN led to my vote + pressurepost ultimately landing them in the scumzone. I hope that explains a bit of what I was thinking
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - BlazerC - 08-29-2018
I mean with #203, if you were a SK, you could pushing away the idea that "my death shouldn't clear pharm", because if pharm was indeed mafia, they might try to kill in order for them to clear pharm's name. You killed that idea.
...The more I absolutely think about it though, because of how much of a mess this Day 2 has been...
and I know with full certainty that what I'm about to say is a stupid thing to say, but I think for the best information and in the best interests of the town, I believe lynching me today would be the best course of action right now. I cannot stress how much I'd be okay with that.
I would like a role claim from aC before it came to that though. I don't think it'll matter, considering it we'll end up pretty dead real fast, but I would like it a real lot.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - BlazerC - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:54 AM)SleepingOrange Wrote: »(08-29-2018, 07:35 AM)BlazerC Wrote: »After taking a step back and looking over my reads again, I've come to theory that Sai might actually be SK. They seem unaligned with the mafia
Do they? Why?
Said so at the start of Day 2. Something something, Pharm defending someone who they knew wasn't mafia aligned. It would seem weird if they were both mafia.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - SleepingOrange - 08-29-2018
I was wondering if there was anything past that and if not... Well, I mean, it's just not super convincing either way, it makes assumptions I wouldn't, but I can see why you'd say it.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - SleepingOrange - 08-29-2018
Do you mind saying why you think you're the best lynch target and what we'll do following a lynch of you? Or do you (weirdly) need a roleclaim from ac first?
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:58 AM)BlazerC Wrote: »I think for the best information and in the best interests of the town, I believe lynching me today would be the best course of action right now. I cannot stress how much I'd be okay with that.
If you don't have a power that's activated on your being lynched, then your being lynched gives you literally no information that you have already. If you're town, the only thing it does is verify that you were, in fact, town, which in turn only matters if you're confident enough in your opinion that you'd want it enforced upon your being cleared. Without being accompanied by some really specific dying wishes, this attitude does nothing for me other than make me more comfortable with my vote.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Sai - 08-29-2018
that you don't* have already
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - BlazerC - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:43 AM)Sai Wrote: »their general activity leads me to believe that they're too experienced to fall into that pit.
I regret to inform you that you are woefully incorrect and I'm just garbage at mafia
@awkwardCarapace, I see you're online. Please provide some information about your role as it may clear you, or at least state that you don't want to.
I can understand if you don't want to, because you are town and you might think I'm mafia that is so assured that I'm going to die, so I'm hoping to drag an unnecessary role reveal out into the light before I kark it. But I assure you that's not the case. I just want to clear up as much things as possible right now.
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - awkwardcarapace - 08-29-2018
Ummm... no, sorry, at least not yet. I think it’s a tad early. Plus, votes on me are actually the majority (6, a softlynch, as opposed to your 4) instead of the other way around
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Schazer - 08-29-2018
I'd also like folks who haven't had a chance to check in over the last IRL day to comment on this whole ~dynamic~ you guys have going before a lynch actually happens
RE: The Wander Island Incident - Day Two: Cold Dawn [18/21] - Mirdini - 08-29-2018
Wondering if I Can Recycle Bad Puns From 5 Years Ago In These Votal Titles Votals
awkwardcarapace - 6 (BlazerC, Granolaman, Jacquerel, Coldblooded, seedy, Solaris)
BlazerC - 4 (Acionyx, awkwardcarapace, SleepingOrange, Sai)
Solaris - 3 (TehPilot, Airey, Numbers)
Sai - 1 (Not The Author)
Numbers - 1 (Schazer)
Abstaining - 3 (Palamedes, Robust Laser, [JWatch's Replacement])
With 18 players alive it takes 10 votes to hard lynch, and 6 votes to soft lynch. Day ends in 71 hours, at 10am CET on Saturday, September 1st.
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