We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Printable Version +- Eagle Time (https://eagle-time.org) +-- Forum: Chat (https://eagle-time.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=6) +--- Forum: General Chatter (https://eagle-time.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. (/showthread.php?tid=197) Pages:
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RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Romythered - 10-27-2015 Late to the party as usual huh gx RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Coldblooded - 10-27-2015 (10-27-2015, 10:42 AM)Red709 Wrote: »Late to the party as usual huh gx I'm not sure exactly why, but this post is strongly reminding me of the obnoxious COD dudebros at my old job who would mock other people for not being able to buy whatever terrible new shooter game on like the exact same week that it came out. If playing Undertale less than a month and a half after it came out and before it's ever even gone on sale is considered coming late to the party, then can someone please help me destroy Video Game Culture™ forever? RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - SleepingOrange - 10-27-2015 If we can expand that to more generally Nerd Culture™ as a whole, I'm down to destroy with you. I can't tell you how sick I am of all the things I like being populated almost entirely by the kind of person who ruins everything with Conspicuous Consumption And Materialism As Group Status Identifier bullshit. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Palamedes - 10-27-2015 I can't afford to play anything new that costs more than dreams and a song right now so I have existed solely on people talking about how great Undertale is and pretending I know what they're talking about. So yes I'm down to destroy whatever, as long as I don't have to pay. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Romythered - 10-27-2015 Im sorry for making jokes, because apparently they're always offensive RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - GenetiXientist - 10-27-2015 Coldblooded, it was a barb aimed at me because the discussion of Undertale in this thread probably occurred multiple pages ago, not out of disdain for people who play games later than their release date. Thank you for looking out for me, but I feel like presuming malevolence on Red's part is going a bit far. I'm not offended at all. That said, "gamers" are horrible and valuing oneself based on when you play a game and/or what you play (or, heck, apply this to any media) is bad and honestly a bit pathetic. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Jacquerel - 10-27-2015 Surprisingly there wasn't really much undertale "discussion" in this thread at all apart from: "Undertale's good" "I'm not sure if I should play Undertale" "You should" "I did, and it's good" RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Solaris - 10-27-2015 but is undertale the new hsteven universe RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Schazer - 10-27-2015 No you're thinking of homestuck RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-27-2015 Who else is mad about Life is Strange? I'm mad about Life is Strange. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Schazer - 10-27-2015 I've seen a couple essays get passed around on tumblr, what kind of game is it and where did it eff up RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Romythered - 10-28-2015 well that was the joke RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-28-2015 (10-27-2015, 11:21 PM)Schazer Wrote: »I've seen a couple essays get passed around on tumblr, what kind of game is it and where did it eff up it was basically butterfly effect: the game? You play a girl who returns to her hometown to go to a prestigious art school, and you run into your old childhood friend who has changed a lot in between. Also hey! you can rewind time now, fun and now we enter the spoiler zone RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Palamedes - 10-28-2015 The ending thing sounds shitty but honestly is more or less the standard for 'we have a moral choice system' games. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-28-2015 There were a lot of other things hinted too? One of the main 'villains' as far as you can call him that dies offscreen, and there were suggestions other people knew about the storm, and how the fuck did Max get her powers etc etc It felt very, very rushed. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Whimbrel - 10-28-2015 I loved the first four episodes. I hated pretty much everything about the fifth episode. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Solaris - 10-28-2015 games about choice should just be like undertales neutral endings instead of making the final choice literally the only important thing in the end, imho RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-28-2015 I wouldn't be so annoyed by it if it didn't heavily imply that being a happy lesbian was the bad, selfish path to choose I get enough of that baggage from real life thank you very much RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - GenetiXientist - 10-28-2015 I feel like maybe you're reading into it a bit much? I think the real takeaway from the game is that being a happy person in general is selfish and bad, which is incredibly stupid and a dumb (if not-uncommon) moral, but also doesn't assume that the designers presented a lesbian relationship as a the primary option and then decided, after depicting it as a positive thing, that it's now bad. I'd assume they're idiots instead of bigots, or they wouldn't have put the relationship in there in the first place, you know? E: I'm really, really against the concept of "your choices don't matter at all" in a game about choices, unless it's explicitly metaphorical and/or a meta-commentary on gaming/life. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-28-2015 Dead and/or tragic lesbians are a huge, super common trope. Media doesn't like us being happy! It doesn't mean that the creators necessarily disapproved of the relationship, but that doesn't mean it isn't upsetting and damaging. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - GenetiXientist - 10-28-2015 All I'm saying is that I have severe doubts that the ending or intended message would be any different if the primary relationship was a straight one, because tragic relationships are an even more common trope than tragic specifically lesbian relationships. I don't disagree that it would be better from a societal/media perspective for the relationship to work out, mind. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Ren - 10-28-2015 Most straight tragic relationships in media are at the start or halfway, to motivate the (often male) survivor and raise the stakes. The Bury Your Lesbians trope is often part of the mid to end game. Not to mention, non-tragic straight relationships are still way more common and to have this relationship built up over several episodes end this way is really playing into the trope. Edit: also, the trope was born out of straight-up homophobia from the censor-boards that controlled a lot of US media for ages because one of their guidelines was literally that non-straight relationships weren't allowed to work out or result in lasting happiness for fear that it would "encourage" girls to be into girls. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Palamedes - 10-28-2015 I guess it's not so bad (the romance thing) if you could actually choose. What's bad is that, like you said, you get to do more with some random side character than with the vital major character the entire plot is based around presumably because straight is great and gay is not okay (I do actually agree with GX in the sense that the choice would almost certainly be to let her or everyone die regardless of gender/sexuality but I just couldn't help myself). As for the tragedy I mean looking into it it's definitely Butterfly Effect (and thus had a 0% chance for a happy ending) but I do agree that they could have handled it way better. Both you (Plaid) and Ren are more or less spot on. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Plaid - 10-28-2015 It is indeed bury your gays, but there's this weird perception thing about the desperate selfish lesbian that plays into it too. I think its a general misogyny/patriarchy thing overlaid with homophobia for a double whammy of feelings punching. But again, wouldn't have been so bad if the entire epsiode wasn't poorly written and rushed as shit. It was the easy out and it was bad. RE: We chat about videogames and videogame accessories. - Palamedes - 10-28-2015 Oh no doubt to either. When you're doing a thriller (especially about goddamn time travel) you have to have that shit figured out in its entirety before you even begin, and it sounds like they were just putting it together as they went over only the loosest of shells. Which really sucks, because it sounds like the rest of the game was actually pretty good. Also missed Solaris' comment. I have technically seen good (or at least better) moral and/or choice systems in games than the Telltale or Bioware standards so I don't entirely mind the concept, but it is something that you need to put extra thought and care into instead of just sort of tacking it on. Though maybe that's what you're saying, since I have not yet played Undertale and have no idea what the neutral ending is. |